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You know when you got arrested in that car wash in Kansas - were you
going through it in a car, or on foot? "I was in a car," Mary
Gauthier says. "Why?"
For some reason I thought you went in there as a pedestrian.
"No," she replies. "That sounds more like British behaviour.
I was definitely in a vehicle."
But you were arrested.
"Right. I'd been discharged from a chemical dependency unit. They
recommended I go to this halfway house in Salina. They gave me a job
working at the car wash. It was so cold. I had to drive the cars through.
They came out with the ice and road salt washed off them. I also removed
any object of value from them, on the way."
How old were you?
"Seventeen. I spent my 18th birthday in jail. Charges were dropped
as long as I promised never to return to the state of Kansas. My parents
took me home to Louisiana. I lasted there a week. Then I ran away."
Gauthier was already five years into a drinking career that is recalled
in her song "Drag Queens in Limousines":
"I hated high school; I prayed it would end/The jocks and the girls,
it was their world, I didn't fit in/Mama said: 'Baby, it's the best school
that money can buy/Be strong, hold your head up. Come on, Mary - try.'"
The next verse begins, in a perfectly executed deadpan tone:
"I stole Mama's car on the Sunday, and left home for good."
Mary Gauthier is not a typical product of the music business. Smart,
engaging and self-possessed, you might say she has lived her life in
reverse. Her indulgence in the kind of rampant misbehaviour normally
engendered by fame occurred, in her case, before she had even learned
to play the guitar. Gauthier (rhymes with "crochet") didn't
write her first song till she was 33 - five years after she'd renounced
her vices: "Mainly alcohol, cocaine and heroin."
No crack?
"Only because it wasn't around."
She has developed an extraordinary repertoire of songs that - to adjust,
for gender, the phrase that Elvis Costello once used about The Band -
are the work of a woman, and not a girl.
Gauthier, now 44, is the latest and most brilliant recruit to the country
tradition graced by Lucinda Williams, Nanci Griffith and Steve Earle;
music distinguished by its wit, intelligence and social commitment, devoid
of the cloying sentimentality that makes so many people gag the moment
they hear a pedal steel guitar. Her most recent album, Mercy Now, bears
comparison with the work of any of the above artists, and it's fair to
say that if Bob Dylan were to produce new songs of this quality, we would
be talking about the unexpected artistic resurrection of the man from
Hibbing. Much of her work draws on her difficult upbringing in the company
of an alcoholic father, who is evoked in Mercy Now's classic song, "I
Drink":
"At night he'd sit alone and smoke/I'd see his frown behind (omega)
his lighter's flame/Now that same frown's in my mirror/I got my daddy's
blood inside my veins/Fish swim, birds fly/Daddies yell, mamas cry/Old
men sit and think... I drink."
We're talking in her townhouse in Nashville, where she's lived for the
last four years, though she concedes it is not her spiritual home. Gauthier
is a lesbian songwriter in a city whose men, certainly, are not famous
for being in touch with their feminine side, and she has nothing in common
with the dismal, formulaic FM radio output that Nashville, at its worst,
has come to represent. This former Wendy's burger waitress and philosophy
major is a refreshing exception to the industry rule whereby performers
automatically develop an ego in direct proportion to their fame.
"I got interviewed by one writer who started with the line, 'Mary
Gauthier is a woman who clearly doesn't care how she looks,'" she
says. "I do too. It's just that I'm not very good at it."
Her 60,000-word road diary, posted on her website, is a welcome antidote
to the self-glorifying drivel which frequently passes for autobiography
in the music business. She records her experiences over the past five
years, in which time - before she signed, in 2004, to the prestigious
Lost Highway label - she has endured conditions that shouldn't be imposed
on anybody: bug-infested B&Bs, arriving in towns with insufficient
money to buy herself dinner, and flying Ryanair.
Her writing reveals her frankness, her gift for a phrase, and her modesty:
Mary Gauthier's diary contains a number of observations that you can't
imagine coming from the pen of some other women performers, such as Madonna.
These include (on being met by a car at Malmo airport), "I hope
I am worth all this fuss," and (in a Tyneside motel, where she found
used condoms in the bathroom), "The coffee comes in an individual
pot, so you get a good amount up front." Upgraded on a short internal
US flight, she writes, "This is very exciting for me. It hardly
ever happens and the comfort is a luxury I rarely get to experience."
On her first visits to London six years ago, when money was tight, she
used to stay with her most loyal champion, Radio 3's Andy Kershaw.
"Mary is one of those artists whose presence immediately fills
and commands a room," says Kershaw. "Success has never changed
her. For all the wonderful songs she's written, she still seems genuinely
bewildered that people would want to pay her any attention. That said,
she is precisely the sort of person you'd want to have next to you in
a bar-room brawl."
She has won over audiences in such challenging venues as a small club
in Aberdeen, where "one trashed guy kept shouting, 'Show us your
heart Mary!' I love those guys, I really do. It's amazing, but that is
a typical Mary Gauthier audience all over the world: bikers, union guys,
cowboys, working-class stiffs, a lot of them unable to make sense of
troubled relationships. It's a beautiful thing, when a sober lesbian
from Baton Rouge can emotionally connect with a drunk lorry driver from
Aberdeen."
If conflict and anguish are prerequisites for a creative life, Mary
Gauthier was blessed from the start. "Born a bastard child in New
Orleans," she sings on her 2002 album, Filth and Fire, "to
a woman I've never seen/I don't know if she ever held me/All I know is
she let go of me."
"What I was told," she explains, "is that I was born
to a mother who was a Catholic, while her boyfriend was not. They couldn't
get married unless they put me up for adoption. I was taken to St Vincent
de Paul's Catholic charity, where I spent the first nine months of my
life."
Have you tried to contact your biological mother?
"I spent years in therapy, trying to resolve that. Finally I hired
a private detective. Within a week, I had her phone number. What I decided
to do was to have the detective call her and say: 'You have been found.
But do you want to be?'"
Gauthier pauses.
"I told the detective to give her my number and direct her to my
website, so she could see what I look like."
Months passed, and her mother never rang.
"Finally I called her. We only spoke once. She said she didn't
want to be found. She cried a whole lot. I feel terrible for her. She
married a man who wasn't my father. He had two daughters from a previous
marriage, who she raised as her own. The man died; she'd never told him,
or the girls, about me. She felt it was too late now to do that. I hoped
maybe that year she would send me a birthday card, because she had my
address, but she didn't. What can I do? Stalk her?"
She was adopted by Barbara and Joe Gauthier from Thibodaux, "a
two-church town" 90 minutes south of Baton Rouge.
"I think there is something about being detached from your mother
at so early an age that makes you a sort of spectator of life. My adopted
mom made a point of telling me just how hard it was to get me. They had
to go through the full frigging inquisition from the Catholics. She said:
'We had to work to get you. We wanted you.' And I believe they did. It's
just they didn't know what the hell to do with me once they got me."
Her younger brother, also adopted, and also a former drug user, is serving
20 years for armed robbery. Mary, three years his senior, says she had
drunk herself unconscious on sloe gin by the time she was 12.
This is behaviour you must have observed in your father.
"I stepped over him for years, passed out in the living room."
And as a child, you repeat what you see.
"I believe so. At the same time I was terribly shy. Worse than
shy. Shy would have been a huge step up from where I was. At 15, I went
through my first detox. I was consumed with fear. I used alcohol as a
way of trying to soothe the terror."
Terror of... ?
"Other human beings."
Not, some would say, an irrational fear.
"Well you're right, there is justification for it in certain circumstances.
But the alcohol just increases the fear."
What made you so anxious?
"I think my problem was everything - biology, environment, the
lot. Going out into the world was very scary. Drink and drugs allowed
me to venture out a little bit. I say this as a 44-year-old woman. Back
then, people believed I was fearless."
On what evidence?
"I would do anything; say anything. Like, someone would give me
a handful of pills, and I'd just swallow them. They'd dare me to ride
a motor scooter down a crowded sidewalk; I did it. At speed. Hopping
wheelies. I did these things, but I was terrified of people. Of course," she
adds, "it is a form of arrogance to assume that other people are
even thinking about you."
Unassuming she may be, but you do get the feeling that if you said something
she felt was dumb or insulting Gauthier would most definitely let you
know; a resilient independence of mind seems to have been with her from
the start.
"I simply cannot abide by other people's rules. It would be fair
to call me unemployable."
As a teenager, one of her first jobs was serving burgers from a drive-through
window. She was reprimanded by a manager for asking a customer to wait
a minute for an order.
"The next day I came back with my key to the joint, and threw it
through the drive-through window. I said: 'You know what? Shove it.'
It was corporate stupidity at its most beautiful."
For years, she balanced her drug habit with jobs in catering.
"I never lost the work ethic. But once I started drinking, then
I'd want drugs, and it would just be an all-nighter. It was real obvious,
in a John Belushi kind of a way, that either I would quit or I would
die. I put myself into very dangerous territory. I was taken advantage
of, by older men. I bet you couldn't find one young woman, in that sort
of environment, that hasn't been."
Are you saying you were raped?
"Rape may be too big a word. Because I was drunk. And I would get
in the car. And I would assume that this person (omega) would have drugs,
and we would go and get high. I may piss off some feminists here, but
I think I put myself into those situations. I was naive. I couldn't see
where those evenings were headed."
She found a kind of stability, she says, when she was 19 and was hired
by a restaurant in Baton Rouge to wash dishes.
"I was a good dishwasher. So they taught me how to cook. Which
I did well. Then I became assistant manager. The owners said if I stayed
a year, and ran the place at night, they'd pay for me to go to Louisiana
State University. Which they did. I took philosophy classes in the day.
So I was reading Descartes in the afternoon, then getting completely
fucked up in the evening. If I had an exam I'd have just a couple of
joints and some beers, and say to myself: 'I'm gonna study now, but when
I pass this paper I will get high.' I made myself earn it. That's how
I made it through college."
She quit LSU six hours short of graduating, aged 24, and moved to Boston.
"I got a job as a restaurant manager, so suddenly this alcoholic
drug addict was running a piss-elegant café across the street
from the Ritz Carlton, charging people $4 for a freaking éclair,
with a straight face. I ran it for a couple of years - still using, still
messed up. I met many people with money and I found two who agreed to
put up the money for a restaurant. We agreed that I'd do all the work,
have the idea, and run the place; they just supplied the capital."
On the opening night at Dixie Kitchen, she was arrested for drunk driving.
"I spent that night in jail: 13 July, 1990. I haven't had a drink
or taken a drug since. That was when I realised I had to quit."
Her main addiction, by this time, was heroin.
"When I stopped I was very sick. My eyes were sunken. I remember
feeling physically, spiritually and mentally exhausted. I was so tired.
It seems to me, on reflection - this may be the songwriter in me speaking
- that my perception that my mother had just kind of handed me off propelled
me into motion. I spent years running and running. There was a momentum
there, and it has taken a great deal to stop that.
The Sunday Times recently wrote of you: "A steady relationship
remains beyond her."
"I had girlfriends when I was using, but I couldn't say I had steady
relationships, because I wasn't a steady person myself. Now I do have
a stable relationship, better than it's ever been. That is to say that
I have a girlfriend now, but we don't live together. I'm not sure it
would be fair on anyone to have to live with me. I need a lot of time
alone with a guitar."
She began writing songs in 1995.
"I made my first CD, Dixie Kitchen, three years later. I had never
played a gig. But I made it to the Boston Music Awards. I didn't win,
but I was up against people who'd been on the road. That gave me confidence.
All those years of destruction were receding in the rear-view mirror.
A healing took place in me."
You've drawn on your dysfunctional past in songs like "Drag Queens
in Limousines" and "I Drink", but you're not one of those
writers who imagine, in the Dylan Thomas tradition, that they need alcohol
or narcotics in order to create.
"Absolutely the opposite, because I've only ever written songs
sober. Once I was sober, I noticed I had some ability to put words together.
It was then that I started songwriting. At the same time, for me, the
music has always definitely come from somewhere else."
Which is frightening.
"Well it is, very, because you can't be sure that it will always
come. I am not a writer who hammers out a song as a commercial venture.
That muse has to whisper in my ear."
Of the four albums she has produced so far, every one has been markedly
better than the last. She has the ability, not given to every popular
songwriter, to inhabit another character when she writes. One of her
greatest songs, "Christmas in Paradise", is about a homeless
man living in the shadow of the Hyatt Hotel in Key West, Florida, and
opens with the line: "Davey stole a Christmas tree from Kmart last
night." She wrote a wonderful anthem dedicated to Karla Faye Tucker,
the heroin addict who converted to Christianity during her 14 years on
death row: George W Bush achieved the distinction of being the first
governor of Texas to order the execution of a woman when he rejected
his fellow-believer's appeal for clemency in February 1998.
"Actually, writing about Karla Faye Tucker - OK, I haven't ever
killed anybody, or been on death row - but I have been the kind of drug
addict she was, so on one level I understood her almost instinctively."
Gauthier is expected to play in the UK again this summer, though her
dates have not been finalised. Two songs on her next album, due for release
in the autumn, will deal, among other things, with the plight of her
native New Orleans in the wake of last August's floods.
"I felt Mercy Now was the best possible work that I could do," she
says. "If I do better than that I will shock myself. I am scared
to death of making the next one. Really."
Gauthier drives me back across town, to the Union Station Hotel in Nashville.
She pulls up in front of the historic former railroad terminus, which
still has the destination board, with the timetable for the Dixie Flyer,
behind reception. It's not tremendously expensive, but clean and atmospheric:
the kind of place she might stay in on tour these days. The pressures
of life on the road have been eased, she says, but not eradicated.
Didn't you once write a diary entry about a particular bed you sleep
in, I ask her, that brings on terrible dreams?
"That's at my producer's house at Lake Travis near Austin, Texas.
I don't know what it is about that bed. The dreams pile up. I'm scared
of it. I wake up tired."
Dreams of what?
"Dreams of the life I have lived. Emotional conflict. Loss."
No soccer at all, then?
"Not so much soccer, no. More grief, heartache and distress. The
things I always go to when I write. Ex-lovers."
I have a cutting in my bag, from a British paper, that reads: "Lesbianism
adds its prurient frisson." What does that mean?
She gives a mischievous look.
"I'll tell you right after I've looked up that word - prurient."
This question possibly deserves a punch in the mouth - but do you think
that part of what drew you to narcotics was unease at what a largely
repressive society, in the Southern States 30 years ago, might make of
your sexuality?
"Well, I don't think I have ever been any other way. So I had to
make peace with that at a very early age. There have been a couple of
men in my life that I really enjoyed - physically, emotionally and spiritually.
But I have never been head over heels in love with a guy. I have a predisposition
towards women. But that doesn't mean that I don't love men. Especially
if they drive a lorry and come from Aberdeen."
Gauthier laughs.
"And the reason is that we are made of the same stuff. Those are
my people. Because what matters is what is in your soul. The rest is
just bullshit. I used to feel that life was especially hard to me. I
was wrong. Because we all struggle. And it's the struggle that bonds
us. It's not the victories that bond us, it's the defeats. I believe
my demons were born of a fear of humanity, based on self-hatred. Not
because I am gay, but because I am not worthy."
She pauses.
"I could have been the prettiest girl in the class and the quarterback's
girlfriend, and I would still have been troubled by that same feeling.
I have had to learn, in my sobriety, to feel comfortable about people.
It's been one hell of a ride. And," she says, beginning an observation
whose truth is confirmed by the admiring expressions of the Union Station
bell-boys, who have abandoned their posts to get a better view of a performer
at the most exhilarating stage of her career, "I am just about there." s
'Mercy Now' is out now on Lost Highway Records
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